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I did some prior research to this question on stackexchange before posting my question. Due to my limited knowledge in this field, I am not sure if my question is unique since there has been ample questions related to this problem. The most widely cited question I have seen was Adding 3 electron spins.

My question revolves around the construction of the $|\frac{3}{2},m⟩$ and $|\frac{1}{2},m⟩$ states.

To construct the $|\frac{3}{2},m⟩$ state, I am aware that we can start from constructing $|\frac{3}{2},\frac{3}{2}⟩$, which is fairly simple, as this necessitates that the 3 half spin particles must all spin up and that their spins don't cancel. To achieve this, all particles must spin up, thereby the state can be represented by $|↑↑↑⟩$. To achieve the remaining $|\frac{3}{2},m⟩$, we apply the ladder operator. My first question is that how the magnitude of spin is being calculated from the state $|↑↑↑⟩$. For instance, I know that from $|↑↑↑⟩$, the spin in the z direction is found by counting the number of arrows pointing upwards multiplied by half, which will give us a value of $\frac{3}{2}$.

Then now here comes the next challenging problem for me. I have entirely no clue of how to construct the $|\frac{1}{2},m⟩$ state since I don't know how is the net spin computed and thus have no idea how to rearrange the arrows to give me a state that will yield a net spin of $\frac{1}{2}$. According to https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/29552/327428, I need to couple a pair of $\frac{1}{2}$ spin particles then take the product of an up state, which I have do not understand why coupling gives a net spin of 0, and why a product of an upstate will increase its net spin by $\frac{1}{2}$. Citing one of the states of net spin $\frac{3}{2}$, where

$$ |3/2, 1/2⟩ = \frac{|↑↑↓⟩+|↑↓↑⟩+|↓↑↑⟩}{\sqrt{3}}$$

does this imply that for the second term, I associate a $|↑⟩$ to $|↑↓⟩$ term I get $|↑↓↑⟩$, so the spin for this term is $\frac{1}{2}$?

Lastly, I have a question regarding the degeneration of the half spin states. For this case, there exists 2 linearly independent solution to the half spin states. My question is what is the physical interpretation of this.

Sidenote: Mathematically, I understand that these half spin states exist as eigenvectors of $S^2$ with corresponding eigenvalues. Once one of the doublet state is being found, the second one can be derived by using orthogonalisation with other eigenstates, since we need one more eigenvector to span the eigenspace, and we can exploit the fact that eigenvectors corresponding to different eigenvalues will be orthogonal.

It is a bit mouthful since the question I ask is based on something I don't understand very well so I am welcome to any feedback for clarification.

lel
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    it seems the first step for you is to understand how the net spin is computed in a 2-spin system. – ZeroTheHero Jun 17 '22 at 11:53
  • You are unconditionally, unhesitatingly, unambiguously cool with this and this, right? – Cosmas Zachos Jun 17 '22 at 13:34
  • @ZeroTheHero, I do understand, but my question is how do i construct these states if i were to not solve for the eigenvectors. – lel Jun 17 '22 at 13:47
  • @CosmasZachos, erm not quite, the book that I use Griffith didnt even went through product states. – lel Jun 17 '22 at 13:49
  • @CosmasZachos for the first link u sent, personally I am unsure why is there a need to take the product symbol of $S_x$ with the identity matrix, and how it acts on $χ_+$. This is my first time seeing this, so probably im far from understanding all that. As for the second link, so sorry but I absolutely catch no ball. I guess the question I ask can be explained in a simpler manner eh? – lel Jun 17 '22 at 14:03
  • Just to clarify, my ultimate question is on how is the doublet state being constructed without solving the eigenvector problem since I see many of the textbooks simply stating that without further illustration. Can it be deduced via any physical interpretation such as rearrangement and normalisation of states? And can the spin states be directly from this deduced doublet state? – lel Jun 17 '22 at 14:14
  • as per previous posts, first construct first the states from two spin 1/2. You get S=1 and S=0 states. Then take the S=0 states and combine them with the third spin-1/2, and take the S=1 states and combine them with the third spin-1/2. – ZeroTheHero Jun 17 '22 at 14:34
  • Well done, @lel. You follow our suggestions to use MathJax instead posting images of textbook pages. By the way, may be my answers here Total spin of two spin- 1/2 particles help you a little. – Frobenius Jun 17 '22 at 19:58
  • Linked, after you are comfortable with the simple linear algebra of the answer. – Cosmas Zachos Jun 17 '22 at 20:07
  • You’re confusing the value of total $S_z$ (spin-projection) with the value of $S$… go back to the 2-spin case and look at the $S=1$ and $S=0$ states with $S_z=0$. – ZeroTheHero Jun 17 '22 at 22:03
  • @ZeroTheHero, with reference to this comment, 'as per previous post...', what is the underlying concept that enables this coupling to work? This corresponds to the 'I need to couple a pair of $\frac{1}{2}$ spin particles then take the product of an up state, which I have do not understand why coupling gives a net spin of 0, and why a product of an upstate will increase its net spin by $\frac{1}{2}$' of the question i posted. – lel Jun 17 '22 at 23:45
  • That’s what you need to understand: how the combination of two spin-1/2 particles can give S=0. Look up Griffiths, or Shankar, or Clebsch-Gordan coefficients. – ZeroTheHero Jun 18 '22 at 01:09

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I guess the question I ask can be explained in a simpler manner eh?

The narrow question can be answered by elementary linear algebra, of course, but the point of such questions is that you understand angular momentum composition, which such narrow questions and answers may help you chase away prejudices about... In any case, your teacher might have shown you this:

My first question is how the magnitude of spin is calculated from the state $|↑↑↑⟩$. For instance, I know that from $|↑↑↑⟩$, the spin in the z direction is found by counting the number of arrows pointing upwards multiplied by half, which will give us a value of $\frac{3}{2}$.

You found that state has $S_z=3/2$, but, crucially, moreover, you found that is the maximum spin, since it cannot be raised by the raising ladder operator. Consequently, it must be the highest $S_z$ state of a given s, which must be, ipso facto, s=3/2. You might also apply the $S^2=_+_−+_(_−\mathbb{1})$ on that state, and compare the eigenvalue to the s(s+1) standard expression, but you committed to avoidance of the real McCoy.

Then, here comes the next challenging problem for me. I have entirely no clue of how to construct the $|\frac{1}{2},m⟩$ state, since I don't know how is the net spin computed and thus have no idea how to rearrange the arrows to give me a state that will yield a net spin of $\frac{1}{2}$. [...] $$ |3/2, 1/2⟩ = \frac{|↑↑↓⟩+|↑↓↑⟩+|↓↑↑⟩}{\sqrt{3}}$$

You don't need to add the three spins piecemeal. You have the above 3-vector, completely symmetric in its entries, and there are two normalized 3-vectors orthogonal to it and mutually orthogonal. Find them, assisted by the answers you quote! (Consider rephasings of $~({|↑↑↓⟩+|↑↓↑⟩-2|↓↑↑⟩})/{\sqrt{6}}$ and $~({|↑↑↓⟩-|↑↓↑⟩ })/{\sqrt{2}}$. You may check they are annihilated by a raising operator, and also by a succession of two lowering operators, so you are done: you have two disjoint spin doublets at hand. You may thus eschew application of your dreaded $S^2$ that most anyone else would use...)

Lastly, I have a question regarding the degeneracy of the half-spin states. For this case, there exist two linearly independent solutions to the half-spin states. My question is what is the physical interpretation of this.

Not clear what you expect in the way of "physical interpretation"... surely not a "shortcut to bad math", as Phil Morse emphasized... You have two independent s=1/2 doublets, usable in whatever physics you put into them. One needs more information and answerable questions to provide something meaningful.

Cosmas Zachos
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  • Thank you! I guess I have a better understanding now. I still have one part I would like to clarify. Under the paragraph 'You don't need to add the three spins piecemeal... you are done: you have two disjoint spin doublets at hand', does that mean orthogonality is the only way to find the 2 spin doublets? Is there any other methods other than that in doing so? – lel Jun 17 '22 at 23:39
  • Of course there are: adding 1/2 to 1/2, to get 1 and 0, and then adding 1/2 to 0 and 1/2 to 1. The results must be orthogonal to each other, but there are several pathways, and I thought this is what you are avoiding at al cost, as it is explained in about half a dozen questions already. At the crude linear algebra level I covered, you are immune to such complications... – Cosmas Zachos Jun 18 '22 at 00:13
  • But, beware: the two spin 1/2 states I proposed are not unique: permutation of the three spin constituents will yield two more equivalent alternative configurations, which is what normally puzzles OPs in the other questions. At the algebraic level, such equivalent alternatives amount to a triviality. – Cosmas Zachos Jun 18 '22 at 00:39
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    Understood. Thanks so much for your help. – lel Jun 18 '22 at 00:57